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 Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:30 pm Post subject: Any comments regarding SeeMoreBuds books and videos? |
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| I have read his book "Marijuana Buds for Less" and seen a few of his videos. I am interested in growing for my own use, and for friends of course, mainly due to prices, and availability. I have two plants that are almost ready to enter the vegetation stage and thus far have been following along with his book, using CFL bulbs. Again, I am not interested in a huge crop and hope that these methods will work for me. I am interested in hearing critiques and comments from others regarding this setup. Any other advice is greatly appreciated. For those who have not read the book, the basics are using compact florescent lights for lighting, and miracle grow potters soil and perlite to grow in. The lights are kept on 24 hours a day during vegetation and then set at 12 on/12 off for the flowering stage. Any other questions, please let me know as this is my first time and I would really like to be successful at this endeavor! Thanks guys. |
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Joe
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| Audio wrote: | | I have two plants that are almost ready to enter the vegetation stage and thus far have been following along with his book, using CFL bulbs. |
The above would be the only thing I would question....
How is/has hat been determined?
Probably number one mistake (one of) of all new growers is too much veg and overgrowing their space...and, if doing flouro's/cfl's, your not looking at any significant penetration to begin with, so, easy on he veg time....if new, you'll be amazed at the stretch..
Also wouldn't be unwise to gab pH pen and some nutes (veg and flower.....something simple, a 2 part)...
Pen to know what your working with (might be fine, might not, plus, proper care and can use for many years to come) and nutes as needs change depending on stage,size,etc.. (veg,flower, transition), plus, depending on pot size and veg and flower time, whatever is in the soil may not necessarily remain for long (and, s above, even if it does, will be an uneven balance....)
Basics which a lot of people overlook and cause potential issues is larger they are, the more they eat and more often,so....
Light is your yield and density, so, absolutely possible to grow nice things from flouro's and cfl's and such, but, not going to get the penetration, and size and density you would otherwise, with other things.....all starts with genetics, what your running.....which are underestimated for many reasons....ie: Knowing exactly what your working with, quality, behavior, nuances of specific strain, etc....(also make sure you transplant when and if necessary if using soil....pot size also yield if working with soil.....but, in above case, light is going to be primary issue....) |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Joe could you dumb it down for some of us? I'm pretty ripped and dont have really a clue what you say sometimes.
Not a dick, just trying to always learn. |
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Audio
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| Joe, thanks for the info. It was real helpful in clarifying the overall process. I have researched the ph issue but I am not sure what "nutes" are. I haven't had much prior experience with plants, could you elaborate on that? I am aware of the change from vegetative to flowering and it's affect on plant size. I am hoping that with time and experience I will be able to plan accordingly for this. The research I have done has told me that after switching to the flowering stage I can expect an increase in size of anywhere between 25-100% depending on the strain of the plant. Does this sound correct? Also, it says to switch to the flowering stage when the plant is between 12-14". This should help slightly with the light penetration issue. My setup allows 6 - 42 watt cfl bulbs above and on the sides of the plant (and rotating the plant 90 degrees every other day for even lighting.) By growing a shorter but slightly wider plant, I hope to get enough penetration to allow for more dense buds. Again, this is my first grow, I don't expect it to go down perfectly. I am just hoping for the best and hope that research and some help from you guys who know what you are doing will help with the success of my first endeavor. Any other suggestions from anyone else are greatly appreciated!!! Thanks again guys. |
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Joe
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Audio wrote: | Joe, thanks for the info. It was real helpful in clarifying the overall process.
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No problem. Glad to be of help.
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I have researched the ph issue but I am not sure what "nutes" are. I haven't had much prior experience with plants, could you elaborate on that?
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Of course, but, to clarify on pH: All municipalities and regions will vary (pH), depending also on seasonal issues, so, at the very least, you want to test initially what your using....(As elsewhere....you might be doing 6.4 straight out of tap (which is fine....) or you might be doing 9.2 from a well.....One should always test initially to see what they are working with.....(and then test seasonally to see what kind of changes take place season to season........)
2.Nutes....Nutrients.....
Nutshell......overview:
There are many nutrient lines, from many manufacturers, which are fairly expansive, which as expansive feeding schedules which can easily confuse new growers.......hence find a good 2 part......veg and flower (cheaper also).....that you can use as most shelf soil mixes are, first, not created for our favorite botanical treat , and, secondly, soil used (even if feeding soil) will not remain indefinitely....ie: The more a plant grows, the bigger it gets, the more it eats, which includes what is in the soil/soil mix......so, to again clarify: Let's say you start something in 16 oz cups.....well, not only will they be rootbound fairly quick, but anything that was in that soil will be used fairly quick also, hence desiring a supplement (light fed of veg nute to make up the difference...)
Several lines out there....I would recommend and like GH FN series (General Hydroponics Flora Nova....not to be confused with 3 part Flora...FN also carries the same supplements.....but, initial is a 2 part.......veg and flower, can get a quart of each for cheap (maybe 20 bucks or something...if running small...quart should be fine.....Other lines....so, just a simple recommendation....
Another note is it always helps to view, say, 100 other people running similar things, so, I would also recommend a visit and some reading to a "Micro Forum". Besides seeing many other similar ops....will also see many other similar strains utilized, veg times utilized, etc......an always get a goo feel from seeing 100 other runs....
("Micro" is basically ops of smaller size......less lighting, etc....cabinets....computer towers....small scrogs, etc....)
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I am aware of the change from vegetative to flowering and it's affect on plant size.
I am hoping that with time and experience I will be able to plan accordingly for this.
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If your first, and, even if not your first but newer strain, you might not be able to for a while....veg time and such is all about your own space...
Indoor in general is all about getting a handle on the command of your own space.....which makes it all something reached in due time....
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The research I have done has told me that after switching to the flowering stage I can expect an increase in size of anywhere between 25-100% depending on the strain of the plant. Does this sound correct?
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Depending on what your running, could be 50-300%+.....Many run 12-12 from seed (12/12 from germination) and, depending on stain can end up with 5 footers, so......it is strain dependent.....which again comes into play the value of researching strains one wants to run...(for future reference...)
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Also, it says to switch to the flowering stage when the plant is between 12-14".
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No firm statement as such can be made anywhere, anytime.....that may be just enough, too much, or too little depending on the strain and the space....Therefore, such a determination can only be made if one is aware of your strains and space...
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This should help slightly with the light penetration issue.
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Well, that being the point above.....with flouro's and CFL's your not going to get significant penetration to start with...(even with 1k's when talking several feet away...), so....you want to keep everything as manageable as possible...although, lower branches can be trimmed (cloned) and vegged for another round to follow, beginning a perpetual...(ie: something always ready to take it's place when they are done.....)
Take a look at micro forum above....you will get a lot of examples and ideas...
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My setup allows 6 - 42 watt cfl bulbs above and on the sides of the plant (and rotating the plant 90 degrees every other day for even lighting.) By growing a shorter but slightly wider plant, I hope to get enough penetration to allow for more dense buds.
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You can also implement different approached, such as "LST"......which is essentially "training", which, for example, you might start tying down branches to open it up and keep it shorter and wider......ie: 6" tall but 1-2 feet across, etc.....
It's not necessarily he penetration which will determine the density, but the light to begin with....(size and density is also strain dependent of course also.......)
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Again, this is my first grow, I don't expect it to go down perfectly. I am just hoping for the best and hope that research and some help from you guys who know what you are doing will help with the success of my first endeavor. |
Well, never expect to have problems and issues.......be aware of them  ...but, try and address all issues which might lead to one.....
Take a look at numerous other people and what they are running, and, coupled with your own experience and successful runs.....you might be surprised how quick your doing very well....ie: If your reading and learning and growing?....2-3 batches you should be doing fairly well...maybe less, maybe more....not unheard of for someone who is/was prepared to pull off a very successful first run,.....stranger things have happened
List of small and common mistakes new growers make, which I saw and tried to address above, and, the problem I would see.....(too much veg time always a common mistake....as in not having a good nute line......)
Note: If your using soil off the shelf, it will support it for a certain period, but, you will se soon will require supplemental, and....40 bucks or so not a big deal, an, if your micro.....should last quite a while.....
Note on feeding: When and how much to feed comes down to "feel"......You will "see" when it is required....you start lower, and work your way up......Over/underfeeding another new grower issue..(as is over/under watering actually also....)
Further note: Many are concerned with over watering, when, in reality, if you have a good mix/soil mix (good drainage), that's less of a possibility...
Edit: Another common mistake:
Don't change from veg to flower nutes the day you flip to 12/12.....give it a week or so. (Lot of feeding schedules also have a transitional formula and mix...) That issue seen a lot. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you! I will definitely be on the icmag forum and I appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. I has really been helpful! |
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