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smokeablunt420
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 Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:44 am Post subject: A few little experiments |
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Well I have never before, but i decided to try to grow.
Stupid that i didnt get them going until mid june. i live in michigan so i dont think i will have enough time to be able to harvest. the first frost probably wont be until mid or late october. possibly later. but do you think there will be enough time for me? the plants are only about 5 inches tall. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:56 am Post subject: Re: A few little experiments |
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| smokeablunt420 wrote: | Well I have never before, but i decided to try to grow.
Stupid that i didnt get them going until mid june.
i live in michigan so i dont think i will have enough time to be able to harvest.
the first frost probably wont be until mid or late october. possibly later.
but do you think there will be enough time for me? the plants are only about 5 inches tall. |
Pattern lot of people follow.....
I highlighted the above points (of importance)....
1. Mid or late October is average, what you need for the most part, and not a problem...
If you have them in at 5" now, and, as long as they finish by your first frost, your good to go....absolutely...
(For future reference, when choosing strains to run, your first and most important criteria is a finish time that accompanies your first frost dates...Oct 15-Oct 31 are good dates.....some things that go longer?, but, the majority don't...
You should be good as long as they can finish, or come close, and, to make you feel better  , depending on what they are, you could still end up with 2-3-4-5 footers  All depends....
Not uncommon for things put out July 1st at 1ft to hit 4-6ft by Aug 1st....and, your rainfall should be good (look it up...your looking for a minimum of 2" or so a month, depending on how you got them in....)
Prep (size of hole, what goes in or on the hole) determines quite a bit, so, make sure fed, adequate moisture, and, your good to go....
Late planting btw, which you have just done, is also a planned approach by many (quicker finish, smaller holes, greater stealth)....
You should be good to go, and, start doing a little more research to prepare for next season....Outdoor growing is a 12 month a year activity....some are already working on next season at the start of this season.....
Your good man, just make sure fed and enough water....check your rainfall (google city name+average rainfall) and should have it in 5 seconds....Even if hole not prepped as you should have, 3" or so might still be enough to tide them over... |
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smokeablunt420
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thanks for the info.
oh and one of my plants leaves loos like is been eaten by bugs or something. is it ok to spray pesticieds on them, and what kinds? |
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No problem.
Lot more to many angles, but, at this point, new, already into and nearing end of season, basically as far as nutes and pesticides, anything you can get off a Wal Mart shelf will do...."Sevin" , or naturals (ingredients will bee Neem or Pyretheum,etc)...
If you didn't prep your hole, you can go with "top feed/side dress" which is basically working the nutes around perimeter of plant....could, again, make do with anything off a Wal Mart shelf...
By next season, if you decide to run more, you might be a little more prepared.......do a little more reading as far as all these things, but, again, as above....right now not the time ...just stick with off the shelf and should be good to go....
Nutes could be chem (Osmocote, pellets, etc) or organic, etc....
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: A few little experiments |
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| Joe wrote: | | You should be good to go, and, start doing a little more research to prepare for next season....Outdoor growing is a 12 month a year activity....some are already working on next season at the start of this season..... |
What work is there to do on next season at the start of this season?
I know a lot about diff things, but growing isn't one of my strong points. I've been paying close attention to your posts and have picked up a lot of info. Thanks Joe! |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: A few little experiments |
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| psykl0n wrote: | I know a lot about diff things, but growing isn't one of my strong points.
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That's good, because growing in itself is actually only one aspect of growing...
Translation: Growing is the easy part....everything else associated with it is the hard part
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What work is there to do on next season at the start of this season?
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Any and every aspect....
Site selection: You don't just run out and plant...one should be somewhat familiar with site and while your planting now you should also be watching other potential sites for any and everything.......growth patterns as they get into season (which can transform a great spot into a bad one depending on growth), traffic, or lack of, any patterns of any potential neighbors, the neighborhood, police traffic (again, if any), local, kids, joggers, hikers, etc, etc...
Stock (seed, production).....if you want to do a run to produce stock for next season that should already be underway this season.....what one wants to do, an idea where one wants to do it (see above point), volume desired, needed, etc....
If procuring stock, one doesn't want to wait until last minute, and, let's say one has things finishing by Oct 31st......well, harvest, dry, cure, clip puts you at mid/late November, then Holidays come into play and most get busy, and, depending on project and plan, target start date might be starting stock for mothers January 1st.....so, one doesn't want to wait, because might be problems with stock, shipping, seizures, etc.....
Any project, indoor or outdoor one wants to accumulate supplies, not have to run out on a moments notice and begin to try to get any and everything needed (or what one thinks on the surface they will need, which feeds right back to planning in advance....without it, you will always need more than anticipated on the surface....not to mention accumulation means reasonable sized loads of supplies also, instead of as above, all at once, etc....
List is endless.....
Indoor or out.....planning not underrated......larger ops may even carry more than a year of planning in advance...
Once your into it, and the season starts, is not the time for uncertainty...
While many times things change throughout the season, with flexibility and adaptability being key to handling whatever may arise, one should be able to go through any and every single detail of planned operation backwards and forwards before they start....
For someone experienced....this in itself is not always easy.......
For someone not?......well, throw building working knowledge on top of that and I would say such are already behind schedule for next season...
Note: Regarding stock issues above, we can use right now as an example.......Most things are out of stock......so.......accumulating your stock far, far in advance is never unwise..
Above addresses things of moderate size.....not even "large"......if applied to a small ps grower, well, all issues still apply in some way, shape or form, in addition with knowledge issues......
12 month illustration: Start mothers in January...sex them in February...clone in March,rooting and veg in April, prepping, holes April/early May......Planting if early starting in May...depending on op or objectives, planting, maintenance done May through August, with August 1st being cut off more of less for planting, but then shifts directly over to feedings for flowering (most will start to flower late July-Aug), September-October your looking at things finishing depending on what one is running.....(If one is running AF's, fem seeds, can completely change lead time above)..Sept/October cutting, starting to dry, trim, cure, which can easily go into November depending on ones project....November/December, finish up, (or keep going), holidays......January's back, and, so it continues......
Of course some gaps in there depending on how and what one is doing, and, some times off here and there, but, sure point is made
medium and on up?.......your running extra busy 12 months on top of it, trimming, drying, curing going well into January and beyond, so then your already working on season while still finishing last season, etc....
AF's, female seeds can cut down lead time with mothers above, but, again, experience helps as start time will come up very quick.... |
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| I just found out today that a sheriff lives just down the street from where I live/grow lol |
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Lucky for you then they're only 5", and are going into flowering and will most likely end up around 2' then.....
I helped a friend do a couple hundred mini's (late planted small ones) who lived across the street from the Police Chief of his city and several others on his block.
If they stay shorter (indica dominant) should end up around 2' or so, if sativa dominant, could get larger, so, keep an eye on them and train and tie if necessary (or any other variation....cn gently bend down, and tie........all sorts of options (LST=Low stress training).....Can use some fence leaned to one side , for an outdoor type scrog, etc......
Just keep an eye on them, I wouldn't worry about it unless they are in your front yard by the street....ie: As long as somewhere that they are not obvious......this is the magic of late planted....have to basically be standing over them to see them at anything less than 2ft or so,......You could be standing 50ft away from an acre and still not be able to tell until late flower... |
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yea im not too worried. we found out he was because he called animal control on our dog who is 15 lbs and hasnt bit anything. my dad cussed out his wife lol!
but yea i have a cornfeild behind my house with woods next to the feild. its even got poison ivy all around. and i even google satelite imaged it so im all good  |
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| oh and with them going into flowering soon. and going to be minis. how much should i expect to get out of three plants. |
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Well, my response to the yield question (how much will I) has always been "It's the equivalent of a 6yr old asking how tall and how much they will weigh when they are 40" 
And it's true......
How big are the holes? What kind of prep What is strain? How much sun? How much exact veg time?, etc.....
Yield questions really can't be answered.....at all......
Could be a half z....could be 3...(and, again, throw in all above....)
Yield is your hole, sun, and what your running basically....any and all factors can change it in the end.... |
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checked on my plants today and they are beginning to flower.
this being my first grow, its really exciting to see. |
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| smokeablunt420 wrote: | checked on my plants today and they are beginning to flower.
this being my first grow, its really exciting to see. |
It is.....isn't it?
Congratulations.......
Your not there yet though...(Growing 101)
Some notes for you:
Anything and everything can happen between now and whenever the finish....Some of them briefly anticipated or researched (by you), some completely by surprise.....
The trolling lately here is not without a lesson:
One can read all they like, and think they know something, but, a successful run provides volumes upon volumes upon volumes.....
Each and every day one has a batch running, whether in or out, whether during or off season, you will learn more...
I'm sure you would have liked to do things different.."better".....from early planning through harvest......rarely (if ever) will you have anything, anywhere, anytime "perfect" (and, frankly, if such crosses your mind?.....Not a good thing.....
There is no such thing....for a season.......for a location.....etc......
There is often talk also of one "taking to it".....
Your in the process of finding out. .....(some "take to it".......do it well.....love doing it.....some?, no matter how how they try, just never quite "works".......
If you turn out to be the former?....you have many seasons ahead of you....(and endless indoor rounds in front of you...which again, will find you determining which you prefer.....for any number of reasons......)
(Outdoor of course in gold in countless ways.......indoor was not created out of preference Initially, out of perceived security, which has come full circle and right back to outdoor as preferred by most when/if able....
Important, here or elsewhere, is to be patient....(Far too many people cut a little too early.....new growers?......almost always......)
Watch your weather closely, allowing for variances depending on the locations....(ie: A city forecast is not going to mirror deep forest conditions.....keep an eye (2 week forecast, check daily) on weather....
In the meantime.....begin your prep for next season now...
I am sure you already have ideas about different ways and things and strains you would have liked to do.....Well......you have time right now to prepare....(shipping and stock is best done early......strains desired might only be available occasionally....and, you don't want to be waiting last minute or shipments and have a problem with them........always get your stock early...
Note on planning: Now that you have a slightly better idea of the overview, you can, for example, select things which yield better.....or you can select things which finish quicker...(Back to frost dates earlier or elsewhere for your location, etc...)
It is exciting......isn't it (Good news is, it always will be
Keep an eye on weather....let it finish (as much as you can, depending on mold issues, frost issues, stealth issues, etc.....), then onto dry, clip (or clip and dry , and, cure......
Don't get excited till you bring them in....
An entire season from start through finish is one thing......."bringing them home" is another.....
You haven't "won", until you've won
(Which hints at another associated aspect......outdoors?.........season?.....bringing them in?......)
You've "won"..... (against superior forces...with superior numbers......equipped......and superior funding ......
It's not only the smell of money nd satisfaction
It's the smell of victory
Questions will never stop.....you'll always have them...just different set(s) as time goes on
You'll like the finished product also...almost regardless of what you ran (assuming you ran something halfway decent......fresh...nice dry, good clip, great cure......)
Lot of things......little nuances which you will get really when you do it, as time goes on....(for example....glancing and knowing timeline to finish...ie: 4 weeks....6 weeks....2 more weeks, etc....)
(Some might begin to speak of examining trichs and such.....which is fine if you can spend time in broad day light in your spots Most can't
Remember......rule of thumb for new growers:
If your not sure if it's done?....Give it another week (Usually applicable to indoor or out.....)
Characteristics of high/when cut is another ballgame....ie: Earlier up buzz...later couchlock, etc.....all depends what your running though...
(Will also affect any ISO/BHO/Bubble made, but that is , yet again, another conversation.....I've had bubble from things cut late and complete couchlock but was very up and "racy".....ie: The kind where you clean your house, then, when done, want to clean again because you already forgot you just did
We're almost there .......Congratulations and Good Luck on the rest of season...... |
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something that really sets in during flowering is paranoia.
Ive been really noticing it kicking in the past couple days.
i decided to only go see them when i need to. weve had quite a bit of rain, so they are good for now, but there is trails that lead to it,that I made, that are impossible to get around. |
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| smokeablunt420 wrote: | something that really sets in during flowering is paranoia.
Ive been really noticing it kicking in the past couple days.
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Which is natural and to be expected, and, while word end to be used quite often, it really isn't applicable....(paranoid(ia) is an unfounded and unjustified fear .....
In these matters, fear and suspicions are more than justified.....)
If one is on top of and aware of all aspects.....lack of concern isn't reasonable...
Getting closer.....once they're in, you'll feel better
Only logical that the closer it gets, the more concern one has....lot of time, money, energy....even if smaller, still a lot at risk per se......(lot of people talk of only growing for ps....well, last I checked, ps still represents firm dollar amount.......
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i decided to only go see them when i need to. we've had quite a bit of rain, so they are good for now, but there is trails that lead to it,that I made, that are impossible to get around. |
If they're in and taken care of, not many reasons to....some.....but....such as if larger, any heavy storms one might wan to double check.....(tipping,splitting issues, fallen trees which actually happens quite often...stuff like that.....)
Lot of different approaches and reasons behind those (visits vs. none) You do what you think is right and most of the time you won't know a mistake until after the fact (of any increased visits)......
Your not alone though (in having a great concern right about now)......Shared by almost everyone.... |
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